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Thursday, 22 July 2010 09:38

Llano CPU power inferior to Sandy Bridge

Written by Fuad Abazovic
fusion
But the graphics win
Llano is the first real Fusion product, something that we have been waiting for almost five years. When we say real, then we mean that it has the high performance x86 core inside, something that goes neck to neck with current Core i generation as well s Phenom II’s and Athlon II’s.

AMD should show Ontario, a 40nm Atom competitor powered with Bobcat core, in late 2010 with volume shipmets in early 2011. This one does not compete with Arrandale and Clarkdale or Sandy Bridge, Intel's all integrated CPU scheduled for early 2011.

Since Llano is 32nm, it has a new core that is unfortunately based on K10 concepts. The K10 got shrunk from 65nm to 45nm and it looks like that Llano will get this same core, optimized and shrunk once again.

The Llano CPU is in design and performance should get quite close to current dual and quad-core Athlon and Phenom II parts, but obviously there will be some room for improvement, since the transistors will get significantly smaller and the TDP at the same clock should go down.

Sandy Bridge is going to win the CPU performance battle, this is at least what our sources are telling us, but since it has Redwood inside, Llano should win the graphics performance battle. AMD will have a hard time to find enough OEMs to carry its products and enough customers to go the AMD green way, but well informed consumers might go for Llano powered PC simply for its better graphics.

We believe that the performance difference between two CPU cores won’t be mind blowing and that each of these two monolithic CPU and GPU on one core chips will be a good choice. The sad part for AMD is that Intel gets there first as its already showed a prototype of CPU – GPU Sandy Bridge back in September 2009 almost nine months before AMD, and AMD is the one who announced back in 2006 that its Fusion chips are coming.

After Llano, AMD plans to use Bulldozer core in its next generation Fusion, that is probably comming in 2012 if not later.
Last modified on Thursday, 22 July 2010 10:14
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+11 #1 pogsnet 2010-07-22 13:17
Yes, I agree, ever since AMD did not claim they have superior CPU over Intel lately except on ATOM. But FUSION is an APU should be judged by both CPU and GPU performance not by CPU alone. Everyone knows that Intel has no DirectX11 GPU and add more they can't play 1080p flawlessly.

Llano with HD 5600 they can even play heavy intensive games at decent resolution which I doubt any Intel GPU can do, at the moment none for a fact.

So what will you do with that powerful CPU which can't play heavy games? Perhaps solitaire will do.

FYI bulldozer has been tapped out at 32nm, it would be available Q1 2011 if not December, Q2 2011 would be the farthest, but Fuad 2012 was so far as your estimate.
 
 
-1 #2 AMD 2010-07-22 14:23
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FYI bulldozer has been tapped out at 32nm, it would be available Q1 2011 if not December, Q2 2011 would be the farthest, but Fuad 2012 was so much to tell.
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I think bulldozer isn't an APU, and that Fuad meant there will be an APU with Bulldozer cores flavor in 2012. I think...
 
 
0 #3 Bl0bb3r 2010-07-22 14:40
Mass production of Bulldozer won't be there until late 2011, since they've pushed the 32nm SOI process a bit behind schedule. No biggie... I was planning to stick to my AM2+ rig for another year since I would gain very little by upgrading right now. And a lot of people should ask themselves this problem.

For newcomers... yeah, it's a bit gloomy.

Also, Sandy vs Llano is not a fair comparison. Let's properly compare the new mArchs and not put something old with something new. Llano is middle to low desktop segment with K10.5 mArch and later on Bulldozer will be the Fusion taking on Sandy.

BTW, did I hear right? Sandy middle-desktop will be having ONLY 20 PCI-E lanes? That's 16 for dedicated graphics and only 4 for SB? Oh my!
 
 
+2 #4 terrace215 2010-07-22 17:58
Bulldozer hasn't even sampled yet-- so you can count on at least 12 months from now until launch, and that's if AMD is very, very lucky. It's a new microarchitectu re on a new, troubled, process. Q3 2011 might just be possible for a desktop part, Q4 or 2012 for servers, I'd expect. Obviously, December 2010 (!) is laughable, as Llano, the "process learning part" won't even be shipped until some time in H1 2011, and 32nm is currently messed up.

As others have stated, Bulldozer is not an APU (no GPU included) until 2012+.
 
 
-1 #5 terrace215 2010-07-22 18:02
Quoting Bl0bb3r:
Also, Sandy vs Llano is not a fair comparison. Let's properly compare the new mArchs and not put something old with something new. Llano is middle to low desktop segment with K10.5 mArch and later on Bulldozer will be the Fusion taking on Sandy.


You're confused. Llano is indeed the competition for this Sandy Bridge.

But the other Sandy Bridge coming in mid-2011, which is not an APU, that's the competition for Bulldozer. They have the same market segment targets: server & workstation, and high-end desktop.
 
 
+2 #6 redisnidma 2010-07-22 19:32
Once again Fuad chewing sour grapes.
How come he doesn't mention the fact that in GPGPU apps Fusion will have the edge over Sandy bridge?
It's not about CPU power anymore, it's the whole package that counts in the end.

AMD is sponsoring the Fusion fund and the idea behind this program is to advance the introduction of more apps that can take advantage of GPGPU, and Fusion does have the edge. In the end, it's all about the software.

Anyhow, sometimes you wonder how much intel pays Fuad for these type of degrading articles. /:
 
 
+3 #7 nele 2010-07-22 20:45
Quoting redisnidma:
Once again Fuad chewing sour grapes.
How come he doesn't mention the fact that in GPGPU apps Fusion will have the edge over Sandy bridge?
It's not about CPU power anymore, it's the whole package that counts in the end.

AMD is sponsoring the Fusion fund and the idea behind this program is to advance the introduction of more apps that can take advantage of GPGPU, and Fusion does have the edge. In the end, it's all about the software.

Anyhow, sometimes you wonder how much intel pays Fuad for these type of degrading articles. /:


...well informed consumers might go for Llano powered PC simply for its better graphics.

Yeah, this sure sounds pro-Intel to me... ;-)

On a more serious note, people who know what they are doing will buy an AMD, not just when it comes to Llano, but in this market segment in general.

AMD has been delivering vastly superior integrated graphics since the 690G and with Nvidia out of the picture, there's really nothing Intel can do.

Also, the vast majority of AMD processors in the sub-$100 market offer much better value for money than anything Intel has to offer, not to mention low voltage e- and u- series processors (although the latter is a bit pricey)...

I think we can all expect Llano to be somewhat cheaper than Sandy and a bit slower... Basically users will get the great graphics core for free.

As for GPGPU... Well it depends. Most software that actually benefits from GPU power is somewhat specialized and reserved for professional users, so it's not stuff that people will run on Fusion or Sandy platforms. Hopefully this will change soon.
 
 
+1 #8 Bl0bb3r 2010-07-22 21:13
Quoting terrace215:
You're confused. Llano is indeed the competition for this Sandy Bridge.

But the other Sandy Bridge coming in mid-2011, which is not an APU, that's the competition for Bulldozer. They have the same market segment targets: server & workstation, and high-end desktop.


No, I'm pretty sure you got confused yourself. When referring to Llano and Sandy I don't just view them as APU's and that's it, I was also considering the micro-architectures (there, since small words apparently confuse people).

Llano is just a middle product with Stars cores until the next Fusion APU will get Bulldozer cores and that will be the real competition for the Sandy micro-architecture. Tech for tech.
 
 
0 #9 Bl0bb3r 2010-07-22 21:25
Quoting nele:
As for GPGPU... Well it depends. Most software that actually benefits from GPU power is somewhat specialized and reserved for professional users, so it's not stuff that people will run on Fusion or Sandy platforms. Hopefully this will change soon.


+1
 
 
+7 #10 blandead 2010-07-23 09:43
professional users my butt. they can make an antivirus and some more video encoders with more options thats gpgpu. firefox as a whole will become gpu rendered... and if the cpu is phenom II performance with decent graphics u got way better gpgpu performance than sandy bridge. their integrated graphics is just a way to save them money, for end user absolutely useless. fusion will be very popular once people try it. 32nm phenom II isnt so bad especially in an htpc at 4ghz with dx11. besides werent ALL OF YOU complaining how the cpu would only be as good as athlon II and now it can be as good as high end phenom II. probly will charge a lot less too... more cores and less $ + faster gpu. doesnt matter if they are a quarter late either. most ppl already have some crap core i3/w intel gpu
 

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