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Monday, 24 January 2011 11:02

Serbs flogged stealth technology to China

Written by Nick Farell
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What to do with a wrecked plane
When the Serbs shot down a US stealth jet in 1999 many thought that the pieces would have been flogged to Russia. However it is now claimed that the Serbs flogged the bits to the Chinese who have put out their own version last month.

Apparently the Chengdu J-20 has similarities to the American F-117 Nighthawk which was shot down during Nato’s aerial bombing of the country during the Kosovo war, by a Soviet-built SA-3 missile. Chinese agents travelled to the region where the F-117 disintegrated, buying up parts of the plane from local farmers.

Admiral Davor Domazet-Loso, Croatia’s military chief of staff during the Kosovo war told the Daily Mail that the Chinese used those materials to gain an insight into secret stealth technologies... and to reverse-engineer them.’

It has taken a while to get the jet flying but reverse engineering can't be hurried.

Nick Farell

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0 #1 Naterm 2011-01-24 12:43
Oh noes, the Chinese have access to 1970s US stealth technology. The defense guys don't seem to be awfully impressed with the J20. it's certainly no Raptor or PAK FA.

I don't know a whole lot about the Russian fighter, but I do know something of the Raptor. It's a much stealthier design, it has very advanced radar, it has a very advanced sensor suite and data processing equipment, it's armed with very accurate AMRAAM (soon do get a big range boost with the -D model), and it has thrust vectoring. The Chinese jet is lacking vectored thrust, is only stealthy to radar from the from, doesn't have anything in the way of IR stealth, and it (apparently) lacks the sensor suits of the F-22 and F-35. It's a fourth-gen jet with a fifth-gen wrapper.
 
 
+2 #2 Naterm 2011-01-24 12:47
Sometimes I wish the Cold War was still on. If it was, the US and the USSR would probably have deployed the F-22 and a PAK FA aircraft 15 years ago. I mean, the F-22 first flew in 1990. I'd guess the Soviets would have been at least a few years behind at minimum, the US had a big edge in technology in this area. I'd also guess by now they'd be looking into their replacements. The Cold War might have been a massive misunderstandin g and huge waste of money, but goddamn if it didn't produce some really slick weaponry.

We'll be using weaponry developed towards the end of the Cold War until the middle of the 21st Century. Hell, some of the stuff that will be flying in 2040 will have been designed in the early 1950s (B-52, Bear).
 
 
+28 #3 1ycos 2011-01-24 13:23
Well, there is this saying ...

Germans invent something - and try to make it better.
Chinese copy something - and try to make it cheaper.


:lol:
 
 
+5 #4 Reavenk 2011-01-24 14:16
Quoting 1ycos:
Well, there is this saying ...

Germans invent something - and try to make it better.
Chinese copy something - and try to make it cheaper.


:lol:


There's probably a difference in quality between what the average China scam artist and bootlegger brings to the table, and what the China government invests in - if the recent megastructures in China are an indication of anything.
 
 
-4 #5 dicobalt 2011-01-24 15:32
Quoting Reavenk:
Quoting 1ycos:
Well, there is this saying ...

Germans invent something - and try to make it better.
Chinese copy something - and try to make it cheaper.


:lol:


There's probably a difference in quality between what the average China scam artist and bootlegger brings to the table, and what the China government invests in - if the recent megastructures in China are an indication of anything.


Considering how crooked and tightly tied government is to industry I doubt China will even be able to put it into production. This project is more likely a way to funnel money from the government directly into the pockets of some officials and generals. This plane will not see sustained production.
 
 
-2 #6 fuadzilla 2011-01-24 15:59
China!!! Jia You!!! 8)
 
 
+2 #7 Stewox 2011-01-24 16:33
Quoting 1ycos:
Well, there is this saying ...

Germans invent something - and try to make it better.
Chinese copy something - and try to make it cheaper.


:lol:


And americans steal something - and try to make it like it's theirs. (anti-gravity techology, jet engine technology, tesla technology)
 
 
-4 #8 Bl0bb3r 2011-01-24 19:11
Nick, the F-117 is the crow bomber and much different, the Chinese plane looks more like an F-22 Raptor Decepticon version... Starscream, perhaps?
 
 
-1 #9 1ycos 2011-01-24 21:16
Quoting Stewox:
And americans steal something - and try to make it like it's theirs. (anti-gravity techology, jet engine technology, tesla technology)



Well, you know, they've won the war. And the winner takes it all ... plus writes the History books.
 
 
+3 #10 Naterm 2011-01-24 21:56
Even if you're building a different type of aircraft, it would be very beneficial to have someone else's stealth aircraft to look at.

The J-20 doesn't look like a fighter, at least not like the F-22 and PAK FA are. It doesn't have the radar to engage other stealth fighters and doesn't have the super-maneuverability . It's probably designed to take out AWACS, tankers, and heavy (non-stealth) bombers at long ranges from it's home base. It's more like a MiG-25/31 and less like an F-15 or Sukhoi Su-27.

I don't even know how good it would be as a strike aircraft as it doesn't appear very stealthy from all angles. Even if they deal with the IR signature problems with a new tail section and engines.
 

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