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Monday, 04 July 2011 13:26

ARM aims at consoles

Written by Nick Farell


Mali GPU for the Xbox
Chipmaker ARM is has told the Inquirer that a new Mali GPU design due out in 18 months will be ideal for console graphics on mobiles.

While there is no doubt e doubt that Mali will be ideal, there is no guarantee that Microsoft or Sony will be interested. Since 2009, ARM claimed that Xbox 360-level graphics are possible on mobiles, particularly with some of the new die shrinks. But soon there will be a counter attack from Nvidia that could change Arm's playing field.

Nvidia will counter with Kal-El in the second half of this year, and it could bring something approaching console-level performance to tablets and other portables. By the time ARM pulls finger on Mali, Nvidia will be talking about Project Denver, which could well make for a killer desktop gaming chip.

The only thing that will stuff up Nvidia will be lack of games written for it. But then again, ARM will have the same problem.

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+19 #1 Alterecho 2011-07-04 13:46
Quote:
which could well make for a killer desktop gaming chip.


First of all, they should be thinking of bringing killer desktop gaming chips to non killer desktops. The ones which which will get me good performance on my budget.
 
 
+17 #2 yourma2000 2011-07-04 13:50
These ULV mobile 3d chips are usually the equivelent of running a mid end pc game on the lowest settings possible such as COD4 and barely scraping 30fps
 
 
+13 #3 Exodite 2011-07-04 14:12
Not that I have anything against the games of the 80's and 90's, in many ways they were more innovative and fun than the yet-another-shooter phenomenon we have today, but this is ridiculous.

Mobile chips have their place, namely in mobile systems, but the current generation of consoles is badly grunt-starved as it is.

We don't want console graphics, as that implies 30fps in a down-scaled resolution with poor polygon counts, but rather excellent native performance.

I realize it might be considered a matter of semantics but yeesh...
 
 
+18 #4 dicobalt 2011-07-04 14:14
They assume people even want games like that on a mobile device.
 
 
-3 #5 godrilla 2011-07-04 15:08
So they want to downgrade the graphics on consoles and have no dev support?
All I know is that based on tegra 4 which will have 8 cpu cores and 60 cuda cores (direct x 11 support rumored) launching next year with windows 8 and android 4.0 or later will be a great competitor to this gen of cosoles, and even better than wii U specs.
Source http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2011/6/30/nvidias-28nm-wayne-tegra-to-come-in-two-versions.aspx
 
 
+12 #6 loadwick 2011-07-04 16:20
What were you smoking when you wrote this Nick? Sooooo many mistakes!

Ignoring all the spelling and grammar mistakes, why do you talk about nvidia's mobile chips as if they are the enemy of ARM? They are ARM chips!

ARM don't 'make' any chips, ARM is just the arch like x86. You don't say x86 is finished when Intel bring out their next chip because they are based on x86 in the first place.

Apple, TI, Freescale, Samsung, Qualcomm, nVidia... all use ARM. If they fight amongst themselves only ARM wins.

Mali is just the next ARM arch design but nVidia will still be using ARM in all there mobile chips. What makes them different is that they know graphics so should shine in that department.
 
 
+3 #7 romulous 2011-07-04 16:20
How much sleep sleep did you have Nick ? :lol:
 
 
+8 #8 muppet show 2011-07-04 18:01
Quoting loadwick:
Mali is just the next ARM arch design but nVidia will still be using ARM in all there mobile chips. What makes them different is that they know graphics so should shine in that department.


Mali is not the next generation of the ARM RISC architecture. It is the family name for their GPUs, which NVIDIA, Imagination Technologies and Qualcomm (amongst others) all compete with. The fastest of the current gen Malis (as with PowerVR) is massively faster than the GPU in Tegra 2. The next gen Mali is expected to obliterate Tegra 3 in GPU performance (not sure about PowerVR).
 
 
0 #9 The blue fox 2011-07-05 17:16
I cant see 360 type gfx with playable frame rates coming from a mobile chip that needs no cooling. not any time soon.
videos of Kal-El running tech demos show GFX much lower then consoles. And this is before they have added AI and other tasks the those demos don't have
 

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