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Friday, 09 December 2011 11:08

AMD Piledriver to launch in Q3 2012

Written by Fuad Abazovic



Sticking with AM3+ socket


If all goes well and AMD doesn’t hit any delays, the Bulldozer successor codenamed Vishera could launch in Q3 2012. This is the timeframe that AMD is disclosing to its partners and let’s hopes that it can stick with this schedule.

One of the possible issues is that engineering samples are planned only for Q2 2012 and usually AMD provides them to platform manufactures at least two quarters before the planned launch. This can mean that AMD is launching Piledriver cores and Vishera in very late Q3 2012 which kind of makes sense. 

Despite the fact that AMD already told its partners that Vishera powered Volan platform is coming in 2012, many are preparing to launch of Bulldozer desktop successors in early 2013. They learned the lesson with Bulldozer that was delayed for many quarters; let’s not say years. It is better be skeptical than sorry.

Volan uses the same AM3+ socket and will use well know AMD 990FX northbridge and SB950 southbridge, the same chipset that you see today with Bulldozer FX processors.

Of course Vishera CPU is competing against Ivy Bridge CPUs and alternatively Ivy Bridge E high end parts, both 22nm. Ivy Bridge quad and dual parts will launch in early Q2 2012, most likely April / May while Ivy Bridge E, 22nm quad and hexa-cores should launch in late Q3 or early Q4 2012 and put a lot of pressure on Volan platform.

Still AMD will have the price advantage and will in any case end up significantly cheaper compared to Intel’s solution in the same high end – enthusiast desktop market segment. It always had the advantage and it always will.

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-10 #1 DaRAGE 2011-12-09 11:45
There is no way that 28nm pile-driver will be able to compete with 22nm 3d tri-gate ivy bridge.

Bulldozer doesn't compete with sandy bridge, and piledriver is meant to be 10-15% faster than bulldozer. Sandy bridge to Ivy bridge is meant to be 17% faster, with improvements in TDP also... And Ivy brings much better on board graphics.

I see piledriver as a cheap POS mobile platform, not desktop.
 
 
+12 #2 Chevron 2011-12-09 11:53
I was expecting Piledriver a lot earlier. AMD better pull a rabbit out of the hat.
 
 
+1 #3 Kryojenix 2011-12-09 13:02
If they make Q.3 2012, it'll be just-in-time for me to do my 2-yearly update from my current Thuban system. Hope it's worth it - I hope to give them this one more chance, before I consider jumping the fanboat in 2015 if things aren't better.
 
 
+7 #4 The_Countess 2011-12-09 15:04
Quoting DaRAGE:
There is no way that 28nm pile-driver will be able to compete with 22nm 3d tri-gate ivy bridge.



(first off, 3d and trigate are just different names for the same thing, so they aren't 3d tri-gate.)

despite what intel wants you to believe trigate transistors aren't really significantly better at the voltages normal CPU's operate at then normal transistors at the same nm are. Its better at very low voltages, but that's not interesting for ivy bridge. atom might benefit... but that platform needs a lot of help to be competitive again.
 
 
+2 #5 Tyler Lowe 2011-12-09 16:02
The thing that interests me when it comes to Piledriver, in light of the non-functional transistors found in Bulldozer, is whether or not it is going to be 15% faster than Bulldozer ended up, or it will be 15% faster than AMD expected Bulldozer to be.

If the former, hopefully there are significant TDP gains.

If the latter, the opens up some room for speculation on exactly where AMD will be relative to Intel at the mid to high end.

Whichever, it will be interesting to watch unfold.
 
 
0 #6 Super XP 2011-12-09 16:07
Piledriver was meant to be released in late Q1 2012 to replace Bulldozer ASAP, now AMD stacked on another 2 Quarters. This tells me that Piledriver will no longer be 20% faster with today's Bulldozer, I can now see something in the range of approx: 30% to 50% faster instead, but they may have to rely on higher clock speeds to achieve this performance advantage while keeping the TDP either equal to today's Bulldozer or lower.
Definitely Piledriver should be faster Clock 4 Clock vs. Today’s Bulldozer, but not sure by how much. And this is where the higher clock speeds come in. Good luck AMD, we need you to keep Competition Alive.

To the 1st poster. AMD's Graphics wil BLOW AWAY anything Intel has to offer.
 
 
+2 #7 Super XP 2011-12-09 16:10
Great post Tyler Lowe. Though I have a question, do you have a link to these non-functional transistors found in Bulldozer?
Just curious, because I have the FX-8120 at it blows away my older Phenom II setup. That said, I would like to read about this issue of Bulldozer. Also if you mean the 2billion turning into 1.2billion, then don't worry about posting a link.
Thanks
 
 
+2 #8 Tyler Lowe 2011-12-09 16:16
Quoting Super XP:
I have a question, do you have a link to these non-functional transistors found in Bulldozer?

Also if you mean the 2billion turning into 1.2billion, then don't worry about posting a link.
Thanks







Yes that is exactly the reference I was making XP.

For the benefit of others that may have missed it, a link to the Fudzilla article on this:

http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/item/25112-amd-cuts-800m-transistors-from-bulldozer-spec
 
 
+6 #9 The_Countess 2011-12-09 16:43
Quoting Super XP:
Piledriver was meant to be released in late Q1 2012 to replace Bulldozer ASAP, now AMD stacked on another 2 Quarters.


2012Q1 is the launchdate for trinity, the mobile APU with a piledriver core.
and this hasn't changed.

the q3 launch is the launch for the desktop piledriver version, that will replace the current FX's.
 
 
+1 #10 Super XP 2011-12-09 17:36
Quoting The_Countess:
Quoting Super XP:
Piledriver was meant to be released in late Q1 2012 to replace Bulldozer ASAP, now AMD stacked on another 2 Quarters.


2012Q1 is the launchdate for trinity, the mobile APU with a piledriver core.
and this hasn't changed.

the q3 launch is the launch for the desktop piledriver version, that will replace the current FX's.

Yes I read that too, so in other words, the Piledriver cores within Trinity is said to be 20% faster and the GPU 30% faster than LIano. Don't know what AMD inside it's sleeve, I just hope they execute this properly. Piledriver being 20% faster is great, you could only imagine another 4-6 months of massive Enhanced Bulldozer CPU tweaking in time for the Sept. 2012 time frame.
 

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